Fedora 11 - aka "Leonidas" - is here

Fedora

It's a wee bit later than originally planned, but finally we have a shiny new version of Fedora to play with. Codenamed Leonidas, Fedora 11 brings together a bunch of tweaks and enhancements, described in boring business-like language in the official announcement and with a fantastic, surreal slant in the Fedora mailing list post. Grab a full-on DVD installer ISO or a smaller CD Live version from this page, and see after the break for a summary of the changes.

  • Boot time cut down
  • ext4 is the default file system
  • Ctrl+Alt+Backspace disabled in X
  • 'bluez-gnome' Bluetooth management tool replaced by 'gnome-bluetooth'
  • For security reasons, you can't log in as 'root' at the GDM display manager
  • 'kpackagekit' is the default package updater in KDE
  • TigerVNC is the default VNC software
  • 'system-config-printer' uses PolicyKit to control access to restricted CUPS functionality
  • Updated volume control applet with better PulseAudio integration
  • New Fedora Games Spin edition
  • Better integration of fingerprint readers
  • 'virt-manager' virtualisation tool has major updates - GUI redesigns and disk usage reporting

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A first post?

It seems on one else has commented so I am just going to say well done to the fedora team!

Well done!

I use fedora and I am very pleased with all the work that the fedora team have put into this release!

Advantage Fedora.

Another very attractive, secure, and fully featured release from Fedora - superb. Ubuntu 9.04 may be good, but Fedora 11 is just better in pretty much every way.

Fedora Rulez

Ubuntu may be cutting down the boot time but boot time is far from what makes a good Linux distro!

Ubuntu is okay for noobs - Fedora is THE must have distro for serious Linux users and Fedora 11 has not disappointed.

Who uses VNC still these

Who uses VNC still these days? Its RDP for windows and NX for linux. Why are they disabling control-alt-backspace, why! I won't even try it..

Ext4 default file system?

What distro has a default file system but can't boot from a partition in that format?

... Fedora 11 with Ext4, d'oh!

And you wonder why I won't use Red Hat's abomination of a testing distro in production environments?

Regards from
Downunder!

RE: Fedora Rulez

>Fedora is THE must have distro for serious Linux users and Fedora 11 has not disappointed.

i disagree. gentoo all the way.

a try

I've been a linux user for only about 8 months. I started with Ubuntu (after poking at openSUSE, , which seemed too basic of an interface. I quickly moved on to Kubuntu, which I enjoy. The problem is that Kubuntu is broken from a fresh install - mostly pulseaudio issues, but other annoyances as well. It just seems too catered to noobs. Alas, I am compelled to try Fedora w/KDE. I hope it works out. I love KDE and I am very particular about keeping everything open source. The only exception is mp3 playback. I look foreward to the new release.

Noobs are Us

I have to disagree that Fedora is better than Ubuntu in
every way. I used to use and support Fedora, but they have
broken the desktop environment in a number of ways over the
years (and fixed some of them along the way of course).
Now I use Kubuntu. It is better than Fedora in many ways,
which I won't list here, but I'm certain that Fedora has
some advantages over Kubuntu for the desktop, though they
are hard to find for the desktop if you ask me...

I support RedHat on servers, but personally they stink on
desktops. Kubuntu isn't just for noobs, they just
understand that people get tired of jumping through hoops
to get the littlest thing working. I have been a unix
system admin for 20+ years, and now a developer for 3+
years, and I have to say that supporting a distribution
simply because it does NOT appeal to noobs is just plain
stupid. Or perhaps you are into S & M.

Fedora 11 experience

Well, i tried Fedora 11 (i am an openSUSE 11.1 and 11.2 M2 user).
Installing Fedora 11 is a pain.
Things i liked: setting ntp fro clock, possibility to encrypt the root partition from within the installer (though the installer's layout is crap, openSUSE is just so "professional" and it gets better with 11.2),
what i didn't like is choosing what applications i want installed from the DVD, i just got tired clicking the hell out of the installer.
Next thing that made me mad is when You add additional repositories before the installation, while You can install a lot more window managers etc. then the dependency checking takes ages, after that it doesn't show if it is downloading the package to install it but only showing installing while it may be downloading the package (very annoying). Second thing is the crappy kpackagekit. I'm staying with openSUSE for now (YaST is the deal breaker here). I don't like Fedora not having a central management tool (just like Ubuntu).

Disappointing

After many frustrating hours, with no luck and a fraged system, With no support for the newer hardware. Defiantly the bleeding edge

Wut?

I gave Fedora 11 a spin on an ageing Dell desktop that has been stuck in the shed for a couple of weeks, L4D by the kids after Windows stopped working (it is chock full of spyware, you know).

Fedora booted up nicely and other than a slightly odd partition editor (I wanted to blow away the Windows partition, which is fine, but there aren't any defaults to choose in doing so; it was 'whole drive' or custom unless I missed something) it went on without a hitch. The only thing that wasn't supported was a wireless card with a Texas AX111 chipset. I wasn't familiar with the naming scheme of kernel modules in yum (it's 'kmod-*') but I soon found out, installed ndiswrapper and got a hold of the .inf/.sys files from a Windows driver. A 'ndiswrapper -i' soon resolved the only remaining issue I had left. There may have been native drivers for it as I found (deprecated module) source but nothing in the package manager.

So, pretty good start overall. It's running quite nicely at the mo and I like some of the Fedora changes to the Gnome desktop. Subtle but do make more sense, akin to the xfce layout in xubuntu (which is on my eee). I especially like 'su' versus 'sudo' out of the box which feels more secure. In fact, the whole setup feels more secure with a greater separation of user and superuser like an old skool *nix box ;)

OK, that's enough from me. Ta-ta!

Volume

The new volume app is sweet too, far superior than the clunky version is replaces. It looks native now, if you follow me :)

Yipee! Another polished

Yipee!
Another polished operating system!
Congrats to the fedora team!

The MINT Factor

I started with fedora. moved to Ubuntu..then on to kubuntu...keep gnome for stable and kde 4.x for candy and fun.
but I have moved on to linux mint.

which is a polished version with all the codecs and flash preinstalled and everthing at the bottom not top and bottom on install. let along many other things. I run kde 4.3+ and gnome on Linux Mint.

I would say by far Linux Mint is best distro even over ubuntu for beginners. and old hands Like myself. But each to there distro. I would never knock another but do have my own opinion. Fedora, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, (Not Suse feels to much like propriatory just install) debain slackware and rest i have tried...and they are all good distro's if you ask me...Linux Mint though does the job exactly how i want it done and makes my customers happy.

Happy Linuxing. And may micromarketers finally fall away from the desktop.

FEDORA 11

I have downloaded Fedora 11 3 times because I can't get it to load. I have a dual boot system, running an AMD 2800+ processor with 1 gb of ram. I have moved windows so that the boot and swap partitions load at the beginning of the disk. The rest are after Windows. This same setup runs Fedora 10 just fine.

Each of the three downloaded ISOs have installed fine - I manually set the boot and swap partitions at the beginning of the drive and the rest in the remaining free space and the install process runs without a hitch. But on reboot afterwards, it gets the pretty line across the screen to the point where the words at right bottom turn white and just stops. I have left it there to see what happens - nothing.

Anybody else having this problem? Anybody have any idea how to fix it? Nothing too technical - I am not a command line dweller (though I can do some stuff).

Any help appreciated, before I revert to 10.....

What do comments like "serious Linux users" actually mean?

.

boot problem

-> rgc

I have same problem which seems to be caused by (in my case) kernel 2.6.29 which is one that comes with fedora 11 installation media. I had same problem with Arch linux, kernels 2.6.28 and 2.6.30 works fine. Maybe installing newer kernel..

Tested and definitely not!

Well, after all of the comments above I downloaded the CD and installed to a laptop that was just laying around. I had some serious troubles going backwards and forwards in the installer because Fedora wanted to use LVM with a small boot partition but no separate home. Choosing separate "/home" it still wanted to use LVM. Whilst LVM may be attaractive in a server room so that volumes can be dynamically expanded, I can't see the need on a laptop or desktop system. It was not very obvious how to turn this off and use just regular partitions. I used ext3 because Fedora doesn't support ext4 yet and managed to get an installation completed.

I found that a "Desktop" install selected during installation doesn't include OpenOffice.org. What the %#$*? So I started the "Add and Remove Software" GUI tool and searched for "openoffice" - no metapackage, so I just try and guess which packages I needed. Selecting a few didn't automatically select dependencies, which could help with selecting all of the applications. This was done without confirmation or even notification as to what additional packages had been selected before the download process started.

Polished and complete, you have got to be joking.

Regards from
Downunder!

fedora ver ubuntu

I am working with these distros since ubuntu 7.05 and red hat 9, fc6...fc 11..I absolutely disagree that fedora11 is for serious users and ubuntu for the beginners. If something goes wrong on Ubuntu it is much harder to fix it, than on fedora (my personal experience ). I installed fedora 11 on my laptop, no installation issues at all, everything worked perfectly out of the box, no issues with my graphic card and w32codecs ( the points of failure of UB 9.04). After updating from rawhide repos is not working at all, no display....my fault! don't blame fedora. This team works really good, new features, like ext4, good boot time, including beta firefox shouldn't have happen.Team makes contribution to opensource community, ubuntu just follows the trends, doesn't create any new things... THE PROBLEMS are lack of available software out of the box in repos in comparison to Ubuntu, big plus for Ubuntu team. Well ,conclusion since the race between these two distros has begun, "quality" decreased. In my case, Fedora11 has better support for the hardware, Ubuntu for the software and....Windows is not the option. The best releases Hardy Heron an FC8, the rest sucks...

tomkis

Caveat Emptor

There are a few minor shortcomings:
-installation wiped out my MBR , despite my specifically specifying that it be left intact. This, according to Bugzilla is a minor problem to be adressed some time in the future. Meanwhile, my computer depends on the continued existence of a file , grub.conf, sitting in a partition for a test installation of FC11 to sucessfully boot into any operating system including Vista which came without a recovery disk.
-No root graphical access. Who cares? All you have to do is learn all these terminal commands reminiscent of DOS. Graphical interfaces are for wimps! And just try to run something like Nvidia Display settings without root graphical access. Tough luck.
-caveat emptor means let the buyer beware. FC11 is not for everyone.

Fedora has the newest versions

Most of the time Fedora is the distro with the newest versions of software and most of the time it's stable. Ubuntu may be for everyone, Fedora is the distro to try out if you don't want to compile, build yourself.

BTW the boot time cut down doesn't seem to work for me. Maybe cause i'm using LVM (which is very usefull for desktops if you have multi- boot and -partitions) and LUKS encryption.

Guides..Guides

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM INSTALLING OR RUNNING FEDORA PLEASE LOOK UP AT < MY GUIDE TO FEDORA> EIDER 9-10-or 11,THEY ARE MANY OTHERS INCLUDING THE ONE FROM "FEDORA" DO YOU HAVE THE SAME FOR UBUNTU.? OR ANY OTHER DISTRO?? .

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