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Podcast Season 1 Episode 24

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Title: Linux Mint

In this episode: The Gnome community considers dropping GNU, while a Gnome screensaver is found to contain malware. We trawl through our favourite TuxRadar comments of the year and ask whether it's good to sue for GPL violations.

What's in the show

  • News: After a discussion on the Gnome Foundation mailing list, the Gnome community has considered dropping its GNU affiliation. A Gnome screensaver on Gnome-Look.org has been discovered to contain a malicious script and ThinkGeek is selling Linux coins.
  • Hot Topic: We trawl through our favourite TuxRadar comments of the year.
  • Discovery of the week:
    • Graham: add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily/ppa and apt-get [tab]
    • Mike: Spy on people with GNU Xnee
    • Paul: 48454c50
    • Andrew: PACPL's KDE integration
  • Open Ballot: Is it good to sue for GPL violations?
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Gnome split survey results

The results of the impartial survey put together by David "Lefty" Schlesinger are out and conclusively prove we won:

http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2009/12/21/reconciling

Lefty

I have not heard the podcast yet, but since someone has brought up Lefty...

I started to check this guy out a few weeks ago. AFAIK he has never written a single line of code himself. OK, if Mark Shuttleworth didn't code, he would still be responsible for enabling a lot of code, something you can't say about Lefty.

AFAICS the only real contribution he has made is to invent the term "faux FOSS", which he ( bleatedly ) explains does not apply to Richard Stallman just the people who have the same beliefs as RMS.

I have come to the concolusion that he is a "PHB wannabee" stirring things up for his agenda. I think it should be interesting to see how the FOSS community deals with PHBs.

I can name that tune in ...

I can't tell for sure, but it is either the Bach fugue from Godel, Escher and Bach fame. ( How many people even know of that bopok nowadays? ) or it's the Mario Brothers theme played on a piano, possibly trandlated one octave.

Enjoyed the podcast

Many thanks for the podcast - I enjoyed it loads.

I also accidently installed chromium (the game) afterwards. It's very good. However, it won't be replacing firefox for me.

I liked the bit about the guru meditation : I just recently read this series of articles on arstechnica which are very good:

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2007/07/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-1.ars

When I was reading my copy of linux format recently, I was shocked to see a photo of Nick Veitch - it took me back to happy times when I was a religious consumer of Amiga Format (back in the day!). 5 years of Windows XP and now using Ubuntu, I'm glad to have found my way again!

I haven't heard much comment about maemo 5 - are you planning on having a look into this at any point? The N900 looks great.

All best,

Eh

I'm downloading the podcast still, though I am honestly sick and tired of listening to the gnome guys moan and whine about this stupid issue.

My stance on it is this: if you're on Planet Gnome, stop posting stuff that isn't about Gnome! Put that on a different blog! I don't see why that's difficult.

Neither side wants to admit defeat, nor does either side let any sort of opposing view go unpunished. The anti-RMS guys are just as zealous about their battle as the pro-RMS guys are and it's just a whole lot of noise around the most stupid little piddly thing ever.

Hahahaha

Laughter directed to the first post forthcoming,

When has anything Lefty has ever done in his life impartial in the least bit? I didn't take the survey, but I've read Boycott Boycott Novell a few times and I'd trust anything from him about equal to the actual importance of this issue (which is, incidentally, none).

He's the RMS of the anti-RMS brigade, and his zealotry against zealotry annoys me like you cannot believe.

Okay, I'm done posting until I listen to the podcast.

Put him in his place!

I really think the Gnome people should tell Richard Stallman to STFU and find something else to rant about!!

A piddling issue

I think that this is a piddling little issue in which a couple of dunderheads on each side have become increasingly shrill, and have almost libellously misrepresented each other's statements (as does that supposed "survey"), but...

There is a lot of growth in platforms like Android, there are semi-proprietary languages gaining ground and a huge array of consumer products running embedded Linux. This brings a lot of people into Linux development who have seriously commercial ambitions. This maybe is not an issue on developer forums yet, but it will be, because commercial developers can not help promoting their commercial ends.

The handful who are currently riding on top of Linux development, who give nothing back except patches to fix their own product, are very easy to ignore right now, but it will not stay that way. At some point either Gnome will be stolen from the open source community by weight of commercial developers, or the open source community will have to take a stand against commercial pre-conditions in Gnome development.

Although seriously, the proprietary-funded developers can't cooperate with anyone, even each other, so the outcome is quite easy to see.

Bruce Perens just called out David "Lefty" Schlesinger :

Perens called Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror' both a crybaby and a 'confabulator' ie a "liar":

GNOME ponders its code of conduct

Posted Dec 17, 2009 18:07 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (subscriber, #2510) [Link]

I ran into Lefty at a community summit out here a while back, and his emotional state was really high. He explained his beef with RMS with a cry in his voice, I kid you not. When I was less than sympathetic, he practically ran out of the room in tears.

Now, I am no stranger to getting emotional about things. But I’ve learned that it doesn’t generally help me win the argument.

He really needs to focus on ACCESS, which, IMO, is a sinking ship. RMS isn’t the big problem in front of him.

GNOME ponders its code of conduct

Posted Dec 17, 2009 9:25 UTC (Thu) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]
Yeah Lefty really does not get the FOSS community.

It is just a fact that we have two groups, open source people that think open source is superior in many ways and the best development model and then we have free software people that will not use proprietary software for reasons RMS points out.
Lefty hates free software people although they serve a very important purpose in our community.
Who else is going to use and improve unfinished buggy and inferior software just because it is their believe that everything else is no option?
When that software becomes featurefull and usable the OSS people will gladly use it, which is OK, but then don’t attack the free software people for their believe in free software.

And besides I personally think he really is an unpleasant fella on a crusade and if PGO needs moderation it is his posts (which also include false anti Android propaganda and Access spam)

GNOME ponders its code of conduct

Posted Dec 17, 2009 12:06 UTC (Thu) by mjw (subscriber, #16740) [Link]
He was hurt in the past and then turned into this anti-anti boycott person. Since then Lefty’s communications are precisely what the Gnome CoC says you shouldn’t do. “Be respectful and considerate, Be patient and generous, Assume people mean well, Try to be concise.” But say Respectful the rules, Free Software, FSF, GNU, etc. in front of him and he will explode.

GNOME ponders its code of conduct

Posted Dec 17, 2009 1:26 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (subscriber, #2510) [Link]
Isn’t this just about Lefty’s anti-RMS jihad?
#

http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/366559/3764b9898966b1a5/

Yes

Okay, I heard the podcast.

1) I don't see why you are feeling bad about suing people who violate the GPL. THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG.

So what if Samsung has to recall all of its TV's? They shouldn't have wronged the GPL! If they had stolen code from Microsoft this would be a moot point - I don't see how stealing from Busybox changes anything. Just because the source is there doesn't mean you can just throw it around to your will.

Is four weeks too short? I don't think so. An entire month without a response is pretty damning.

2) Why are there non-Gnome related blogs on a Gnome blog aggregation? Other Planet websites allow for filtering (Fedora and Ubuntu, notably), and I assume that Gnome does the same. I don't see why any blog writer on the Gnome planet has to let their non-Gnome blogs hit the Planet.

This smacks of yet another anti-RMS brigade rant, who are growing to the point where they annoy me as much, if not more, than RMS himself.

3) I liked the talk on the Linux coins. The podcast name made me chuckle pretty hard. I also enjoyed the Discoveries of the Fortnights.

4) I haven't the slightest clue what that song is. I look forward to the answer, though.

Good podcast. I eagerly await the next season. Are you guys going to use a different song?

http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/366559/3764b9898966b1a5/

GNOME ponders its code of conduct

Posted Dec 20, 2009 0:53 UTC (Sun) by BrucePerens (subscriber, #2510) [Link]
David, I am really really sorry, but most of what you are relating is from the online conversation at LWN, not our personal conversation at the summit. I fear that you are confabulating. I am sorry and horrified.

And you are writing for a site called boycott-boycott-novell???

IMO very sincerely it isn't healthy. Take a break.

I am on a PDA-only connection for now and will not engage in this further, but anyway I have said all I should ever say about this. I hope you find a way out of it.

Bruce

.......................

http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/366559/3764b9898966b1a5/

David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror the great and terrible' (his own chosen appellation) has been behaving in a vicious and literally demented manner online and in person since at least 1996, when he began his long career of legal threats, threats of violence, defamatory websites and general stalking and abuse - began with the stalking of Kathy Sutphen, which is well documented. Lefty has also written hideously sexist articles for the notorious troll site 'encyclopedia dramatica', and this is documented as his work beyond any doubt.

QUOTE

Stone Mirror aka David “Lefty” Schlesinger
to me
show details Oct 3 (10 days ago)

These messages were sent while you were offline.

2:01 PM
Stone: don’t be a ninny, no one’s trying to “fuse Linux with Microsoft”. that’s paranoid rhetoric, but coming from a mental case such as yourself, it’s not surprising.

Groklaw is taking much abuse for their stance, as can be seen in the comments. Bad move on PJ’s part.
2:04 PM
Do you happen to know Celeste Lyn Paul….? She’s the head of the KDE Foundation Board…
2:05 PM
She was in the audience at GCDS and tweeted her dismay at Stallman’s “bit of harmless fun” while it was happening…

May you know Stormy Peters…?

She’s the Executive Director of the GNOME Foundation….
2:06 PM
she was there, too, and not happy, either.

it’ll be interesting if “Dr.” Stallman finds himself blacklisted from both KDE and GNOME events in the future, won’t it?

UNQUOTE

documented evidence, mainly from his own emails and blogs, of David “Lefty” Schlesinger (he is an ACCESS employee) and his long career of illegal and menacing threats, stalking, harassment and blackmail.

here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408...

and here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408...

Lefty has written heinously sexist troll articles for the notorious troll site encyclopediadramatica.com.

” I try to stop a bit short of full-blown monster-hood.” – David ‘Lefty’ Schlesinger aka stonemirror

there is more evidence here, much much more. RMS has examined it personally, and he encouraged it as a complaint to the Gnome Foundation. He found it all credible and well evidenced, especially the abusive, defamatory websites that Lefty maintains for years on end over the slightest grudge, and in self admitted defiance of the DMCA. Lefty is also in his own emails and blogs (verified by whois and headers) actually blackmailing people over alleged sexual images he claims to have, which if they exist, were never public in any fashion.

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Re: David Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror'
« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 02:44:27 pm »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »

Yup, I've read about it most of it. Are you the book seller that he had a quarrel with? Most of the pages from his old "stonemirror" website are still in the WayBack machine, where one can read his taunting of the mentally ill, etc..... But, I try to stay away from the more gross stuff because most people wouldn't believe it even if you sent them the WayBack URL's.

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Re: David Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror'
« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 02:29:34 pm »
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I've done an extensive investigation into "stonemirror" and the acolytes which populate his blog. You haven't seen the worse. "Lefty" exploited the "Linux isn't woman friendly" blowup a couple months ago in order to push MONO by trying to label those apposed to MONO (and thus Microsoft's API) on Linux as being "sexist". Those who were crying crocodile tears over RMS or Shuttlesworth's "sexist" comments have made identical jokes or statements themselves in times past. The "proof" often given is that 26-30% of corporate coders are women but "only 2%" of Linux coders are women, ergo Linux supporters are "sexist". However, they claim, since most .NET/MONO developers are corporate related, MONO is not sexist. It can be shown that 80% of graduates from Computer Science programs are women.. For just the 2.6.30 kernel alone there were 1,150 coders from 240 companies contributing code. IF the it is corporate policy to employ as many women as possible then roughly 250 of those coders should be women, but they are not. Whose fault is that? It's certainly not because Linux is "sexist". What it does prove is that the "sexist" charge is being used by pro MONO people to belittle the traditional Linux community to make it easier to subvert the Linux API from C, C++, GLib, GTK and Qt4 to C# and MONO.

Some of the MONO supporters bait those who do not support MONO with private messages, which they quote in public blogs, out of context, in attempts to discredit those who appose MONO.

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Re: David Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror'
« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 04:12:55 pm »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »

It's a "Lefty" trademark to threaten to sue people he's had online fights with. I suspect he sends out pseudo legal letters from "lawyers" to further the intimidation.

One of his current web pages is http://stonemirror.wordpress.com/, which also contains links to a theme he apparently has brought back out of retirement: Marsupials. On his front page he is posting attacks against "LiveJournal", which used to host his website but expelled him.

On the Marsupials page he's continuing his ranting at a variety of people, like "Mikey", and on a variety of topics.

Stop.

Posted Dec 19, 2009 22:14 UTC (Sat) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]
There will be no more of this here. I am getting tired of people using LWN to throw darts at each other. Can we please put an end to it now?

Stop.

Posted Dec 19, 2009 23:07 UTC (Sat) by SandalFoan (guest, #62580) [Link]
and now censorship? that is not healthy at all.

Stop.

Posted Dec 19, 2009 23:09 UTC (Sat) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]
Your catfight does not belong here. I left your original comment despite the fact that it's the kind of thing that leads to encounters with the courts because censorship is very much not our thing. But you have been asked to stop, and I will enforce that. LWN is not the place for that kind of thing.

truth

Posted Dec 19, 2009 23:24 UTC (Sat) by SandalFoan (guest, #62580) [Link]
the truth, evidenced by hard facts, is absolute defense against any accusation of libel.

read the man's own words, on his own websites and blogs and emails.

I rest my case, and this is not a 'catfight', it is a demand for some justice for the people he has harmed.

Studio Audience Says, "Planet GNOME is just fine."

Posted Dec 19, 2009 19:32 UTC (Sat) by Lefty (subscriber, #51528) [Link]
Some data points on the governance of Planet GNOME.

I conducted a survey on the issue, which has received 1,449 responses so
far—the full results can be viewed at http://bit.ly/8ebcav —and while folks
may not like the framing of some of the questions, I find the results quite
interesting.

Particularly worth noting are the 90 responses from Planet GNOME
contributors, with the following results:

To the question, "Richard Stallman has recently called for rules to be
applied to Planet GNOME to bar favorable mention of proprietary software.
Do you think this is reasonable?", 71, or 78.9%, answered "No". None
skipped this question.

To the question, "The current charter of Planet GNOME is to provide "a
window into the world, work and lives of GNOME hackers and
contributors". Should that charter be altered to ensure that the Planet
doesn't present views other than those held by the free software
movement?", again 71, 80.7% of those responding, said "No". 2 skipped
this question.

To the question, "Do you agree that viewing proprietary software as
'illegitimate', 'immoral', 'antisocial' and/or 'unethical' should be a pre-
condition for syndication on Planet GNOME?", 77, 86.5% of those
responding, said "No". A single respondent skipped this question.

There doesn't seem to be wide-spread support amongst the people
contributing to Planet GNOME for the kind of changes which Richard
Stallman has suggested. In addition, based on their messages to the
foundation-list, neither the Executive Director of the Foundation nor the
editors who have expressed a view support it.

Some Survey Says "Advertising a proprietary software" should not be allowed

Posted Dec 20, 2009 8:00 UTC (Sun) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]
OK, let's spin a biased survey a little more:

What was the one thing with the highest support in said survey?

It was that

"Advertising a proprietary software product"

should not be done on PGO.

So how do you keep that from happening? Advertising is a vague subjective term and Silverlight, VMware and Access etc. are all proprietary.

Some Survey Says "Advertising a proprietary software" should not be allowed

Posted Dec 20, 2009 15:43 UTC (Sun) by Lefty (subscriber, #51528) [Link]
Yes, outright advertising is something no one wants to see. There's no
disagreement on that. "Advertising" is quite a clear term: it's the presentation
of a product as part of an attempt to sell it to someone.

When pressed on the point of whether there was "promotion" of proprietary
software, no one, including Mr. Stallman, could point to a single instance of
any such thing.

Mr. Stallman then altered his position to suggesting that simple "favorable
mention" of proprietary software should merit a response from the Board.
There's no demonstrable support for that idea.

Since the "problem" that the suggested rule was intended to solve doesn't
actually exist, what's the need for a rule in the first place? Why go out of your
way to keep something that isn't happening from happening?

Paul might want to think about making his code Public Domain

I was puzzled to hear Paul considering re-licensing his code because he wouldn't want anyone to be sued for using his code. There is a balance of rights that he needs to release in that case, but in doing so he may lose the personal association with his code and a potential future community of users/coders to relate to and code with.

That is the point. The more he releases the copyright on his code the more (potentially) he loses in community.

The GPL is a strong license that uses copyright law to create freedom for communities of coders/users. Resorting to a lawsuit as a last resort (of course) is possible and also has to be done to show that the freedom for the coders is real.

IIRC the SFLC has a number of stages and invites those infringing the GPL to join in the GPL and sort out their issues. Microsoft (to my astonishment) recently complied this way... So it does work.

Of course a legal solution is not the best idea, but Paul should consider what he gains to lose in terms of community by re-licensing in a less restrictive manner (and that to enforce a different licence might ultimately require a lawsuit!)

No need to be a boggle-eyed radical

There is no need to be a boggle-eyed radical to get Richard Stallman's point when you see some of the posts on Planet Gnome - for instance this http://jaap.haitsma.org/2009/12/19/status-popup-for-gwt-google-web-toolkit/ from last week is just an advert for a commercial enterprise, disguised as a how-to about Google Analytics (which is not Gnome anyway).

Most posts that tread the commercial waters are not so unsubtle and just throw in plenty of reference to the wonderful (MS or Nokia or Amazon or whatever) employer, or even offer some Google invites, little gifts or (whoopy!) let us fund Gnome(-employed developers) while buying from these companies.

Actually, no, boggle those eyes and get out the pitch-fork.

Philip Van Hoof

It is interesting that Philip Van Hoof claims the credit for the Gnome Code of Conduct clause "assume people mean well", yet claims that paying for his blogspace negates any need to abide by any code (in fact Lisa is "Crazy" for referring to it). The clause is used to defend bad conduct, then blame whoever complains for not assuming that the bad conduct was well-intended.

But you can tell what he thinks of Gnome, the community, the code from this:

"Without that specific item, I wouldn't have signed the code of conduct."

Philip Van Hoof, May 2009

and from this "woman the born shopper" piece on his blog:

"Woman have, in my opinion, greater social capabilities and emotional intelligence than men. Their social role in agile development teams is probably an important one.

"Woman are good at keeping track of many things at the same time. I believe females therefore fulfill a role in software development."

http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/why-females-should-participate-in-agile-software-development/

dont convert mp3 to ogg!

During the podcast one of you (sorry, not sure which) mentioned converting mp3 files to ogg.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer ogg and think it is superior to mp3. The reason you should not convert mp3 to ogg is that mp3 files are compressed and not lossless. Neither of the strengths of ogg (that it is efficient, open) apply to this type of conversion.

-efficient
You can think of it as a the original lossless source the mp3 was made from as being a pie. The process of converting to mp3 leaves you with only 3/4 of the pie. The process of converting to ogg leaves you with 3/4 of what you had before. If you convert from mp3 to ogg (3/4 of 3/4) you only have 9/12ths left. This is a crude explanation.

-open
Converting to ogg to avoid using non-open software would be ironic, since the process of conversion would require the use of that software.

Since converting to ogg is pointless it is best to leave compressed, non-lossless sources (mp3, aac, wma) as they are and stick to ogg for conversions from lossless sources (wav, flac) and of course stuff you get in ogg.

neilmunro@gmail.com

To potentially answer the thing about challenge coins, I'm not American, live in the UK (I just watch a lot of NCIS).

An article on challenge coins is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_coin

I've not read it, but from what I remember, officers carry such coins each officer rank having it's title on each coins, when an officer is challenged by a subordinate and the subordinate is correct, the subordinate receives either the coin or a copy of the coin.

This has become a game for subordinates, if subordinates are in a bar, the person with the highest ranking challenge coin has their drinks bought for them.

There are lots of different variations but that's the one I am familiar with.

GPL suing

I think its important to sue the big companies otherwise they will run all over us and not take us or the GPL seriously.

No GPL in Mono

Today it was announced that there is no longer any GPL code in Mono, which I suspects adds more to the fire.

Should the vote to pull out of GNU taken place no metter which side won, I would see it not as a call to vote, but as a call to fork into two Gnomes. One that stays with GNU and one that leaves GNU. The vote would have been over which side got all the assets.

Now I see the fork ( not because of the announcement about Mono ) as being inevitable. It shall certainly be interesting to see how it develops.

Seems really tb be a vote by the Mono community to drop Gnu

I mean, isn't it mostly mono/moonlight/microsoft-tech fanboys who are doing the pushing?

it is pretty easy to port C# apps back to C++

it is pretty easy to port C# apps back to C++

Gnote performs vastly better than tomboy, and converting it from C# to C++ was like shoving a beehive right up the Mono Crowd's ass. Apparently, it was trivial to port in this manner.

this is really the best way to deal with Miguel's MONOmaniac Minions"

take all their apps and turn them into proper QT C++ !

that will bake their shit once and for all.

and this might be possible as well... a lexical converter

shouldn't be too hard either to make a lexical converter from C# to C++ ... then just some tweaks for something that will compile, and a little debugging...

MONO must be annihilated, and the ground Sown with Salt.

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Lefty Schlesinger and his defamatory, sexist writings NWS!

Lefty Schlesinger and his defamatory, sexist writings NWS!

On these links, David "Lefty" Schlesinger (aka 'stonemirror the great and terrible) penned two hideously sexist and defamatory articles in the furtherance of his multi-year trolling/harassment of a mentally ill couple.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Vitki

Talk:Vitki

Fucking awesome edits, Stonemirror. THANK YOU! --girlvinyl 22:57, 9 Jan 2005 (GMT)
LOL To the Terrible!

Nice outline Stonemirror! ROTFL!
I had to do it

and here:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sandalfon

proof is in the text which references Schlesinger's old livejournal, which was removed for TOS violations on his part:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://stonemirror.livejournal.com

and in the text itself which references Santa Cruz where Schlesinger/stonemirror lives, references the martial arts weapons he is obsessed with (the 'bokken'), etc.

This whole stalking effort started on Schlesinger's old 'stonemirror' livejournal. Both it and this current Schlesinger site reference santa cruz, vitki, bokken, 'the great and terrible', etc. So there is no doubt at all that only one 'stonemirror the great and terrible' aka David "Lefty" Schlesinger is responsible for this vicious stalking of the mentally ill and malicious sexist taunts and references which accompany it.

http://stonemirror.wordpress.com

http://www.shugendo.org

these sites even feature clear photos of Schlesinger in public with the bokken weapon. He has taken to claiming it is merely a 'camera monopod', but on his archived stonemirror livejournal he refers to it and other ninja weapons as one of his interests.

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Mon, 28/12/2009 - 4:44am — Anonymous
another schlesinger site, whois ties it to his civil name and to ED

www.shugendo.org/marsupial/index.htm

but after it was pointed out a few weeks ago he deleted it. He forgot about the Internet Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071216231726/ http://www.shugendo.org/marsupial/index.htm

this site mentions another 'encyclopediadramatica' article, again sexist and defamatory. and this site with its current ridiculous defamatory 'wanted poster', has a stolen photograph which schlesinger gleefully defies the DMCA on.

http://www.shugendo.org and http://www.extinct-marsupial.org are both whois registered to schlesinger's civil name and address.

Brad sucks

Hi Guys, nevermind the theme song, I found it by chance in a promotional torrent by frostwire. In case someone wonders: The theme song of the Tuxradar's podcast is "Dropping out of School" by "Brad Sucks", and it got already answered in

http://tuxradar.com/content/podcast-season-1-episode-22

Shame on me for not noticing! Have a nice new year, bye, E.

Wise men

In the most recent podcast, one of you say something like "what we know is that they weren't three".

Well, if the Bible doesn't say, 3 is a possibility, just as any other number.

But what we know is>

1. We know they were more than 1.
2. We can assume then weren't many, since joseph and Mary would have become rich from all their gifts.
3. Since the Bible does say there were 3 different gifts, it's easy to know why most people assume there were 3 wise men.

parse the quote ... LAST != FIRST

Just finished listening to the show and discussion re suing over the GPL. Somehow, after reading what I took to be a direct quote from some lawyer at the FSLC (or whatever the hell it's called) you concluded that they only gave miscreants as little as four weeks to respond. The quote stated (I paraphrase) SINCE __LAST__ CONTACTED!!! not since they initially contacted the perps. They could have been talking to these parties for the last year and the quote would be accurate. I know talking to lawyers is tough, but the one (only) thing which can be said in their favor is that they are pretty precise in their wording.

- kg

Just a quick thought

How can someone who preaches freedom be taken seriously whilst telling others in the community what they should be doing?

more misdeeds of David Lefty Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror'

Here are the factual and documented comments Bruce Byfield removed from his blog in order to protect the sensitive feelings of his one true love, Lefty Schlesinger. This is total evidence of Byfield’s utter lack of journalistic ethics. He even went so far as to call these documented links to Lefty’s OWN blogs “spam”, in a little girly “teehee” he and ’stonemirror’ then enjoyed on twitter.

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A Fine Example

David “Lefty” Schlesinger Jan 04, 2010 1:31am GMT
I’d have to say that “Umberto” there provides a fine example of “why we can’t all just get along”, or at least some of the more serious challenges to doing so. As long as folks like this—and “Umberto” has been copying and pasting this stuff all over, under a variety of sockpuppet IDs—are representing themselves as part of the “free software community” it’s unlikely that anyone with half a lick of sense is going to have a lot of interest in participating…
“an active and vocal member of the burgeoning mobile open source community.”

Umberto Dec 31, 2009 1:52pm GMT
David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror’ is self admittedly “an active and vocal member of the burgeoning mobile open source community.” And beyond screeching at the top of his lungs at every opportunity and beating his chest like a rabid gorilla, his attacks and distortions at each and every of the mildest statements of RMS ARE the source of the “sustained nastiness” you reference here. Right there, the source, look no further than David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror, Master Troll of the last 20 years and author of no less than 20 defamatory websites. He cut his teeth persecuting women and the mentally ill, and now he turns this cultivated viciousness on RMS and any advocated of Free Software.

It is time for the Gnome Foundation to ask ACCESS, Inc. to remove David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror’ from his seat on the Gnome Advisory board. Now ACCESS does spend $10,000 per year to keep Schlesinger on that board to literally purchase Trolling rights for the GF elist. Surely, Stormy Peters can grow a pair and request ACCESS provide a sane and reasonable representative? If this continues, Lefty’s antics will only continue to harm Gnome.

Lefty Schlesinger and his defamatory, sexist writings NWS!

On these links, David “Lefty” Schlesinger (aka ’stonemirror the great and terrible) penned two hideously sexist and defamatory articles in the furtherance of his multi-year trolling/harassment of a mentally ill couple.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Vitki

Talk:Vitki

Fucking awesome edits, Stonemirror. THANK YOU! –girlvinyl 22:57, 9 Jan 2005 (GMT)
LOL To the Terrible!

Nice outline Stonemirror! ROTFL!
I had to do it

and here:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sandalfon

proof is in the text which references Schlesinger’s old livejournal, which was removed for TOS violations on his part:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://stonemirror.livejournal.com

and in the text itself which references Santa Cruz where Schlesinger/stonemirror lives, references the martial arts weapons he is obsessed with (the ‘bokken’), etc.

This whole stalking effort started on Schlesinger’s old ’stonemirror’ livejournal. Both it and this current Schlesinger site reference santa cruz, vitki, bokken, ‘the great and terrible’, etc. So there is no doubt at all that only one ’stonemirror the great and terrible’ aka David “Lefty” Schlesinger is responsible for this vicious stalking of the mentally ill and malicious sexist taunts and references which accompany it.

http://stonemirror.wordpress.com

http://www.shugendo.org

these sites even feature clear photos of Schlesinger in public with the bokken weapon. He has taken to claiming it is merely a ‘camera monopod’, but on his archived stonemirror livejournal he refers to it and other ninja weapons as one of his interests.

another schlesinger site, whois ties it to his civil name and to ED

http://www.shugendo.org/marsupial/index.htm

but after it was pointed out a few weeks ago he deleted it. He forgot about the Internet Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071216231726/ http://www.shugendo.org/marsupial/index.htm

this site mentions another ‘encyclopediadramatica’ article, again sexist and defamatory. and this site with its current ridiculous defamatory ‘wanted poster’, has a stolen photograph which schlesinger gleefully defies the DMCA on.

http://www.shugendo.org and http://www.extinct-marsupial.org are both whois registered to schlesinger’s civil name and address.
12/27/09 @ 20:15

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:XGEwwsRyixMJ:www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Why-can-t-we-all-just-get-along%3Fblogbox+stonemirror+%2B+troll&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

and how it looks now after Byfield’s unconscionable censorship:

http://www.linux-magazine.com/content/view/full/41472

Comments
just retire, Byfield.

P.O. Jan 06, 2010 8:44pm GMT
You have given up even a pretense at actual journalism. You are a hack and an enemy of the facts and the truth.
censorship is the real problem here

swept under the rug Jan 06, 2010 8:21pm GMT
Your dirty little problem? A dirty little person whose documented misdeeds and attacks on RMS are fundamentally the same problem. And you sweep it under the rug and silence the facts which point out this person as the sole source of the poison which affects the community.

You are now as much to blame, Bruce. When you censor the truth, you become the problem as well.

these comments will no doubt be soon erased…
ZQB Says:
January 7, 2010 at 7:36 pm | Reply

Most people would take note when a man with the international stature of Bruce Perens calls you out as both a liar and a crybaby. But not our little megalomaniac, Lefty, no sir! Delusional does not even begin to describe what is wrong with the mental health of madman, David Lefty Schlesinger, aka ’stonemirror.’

http://lwn.net/Articles/366559/

GNOME ponders its code of conduct

Posted Dec 20, 2009 0:53 UTC (Sun) by BrucePerens (subscriber, #2510) [Link]
David, I am really really sorry, but most of what you are relating is from the online conversation at LWN, not our personal conversation at the summit. I fear that you are confabulating. I am sorry and horrified.

And you are writing for a site called boycott-boycott-novell???

IMO very sincerely it isn’t healthy. Take a break.

I am on a PDA-only connection for now and will not engage in this further, but anyway I have said all I should ever say about this. I hope you find a way out of it.

Bruce

GNOME ponders its code of conduct

Posted Dec 17, 2009 18:07 UTC (Thu) by BrucePerens (subscriber, #2510) [Link]

I ran into Lefty at a community summit out here a while back, and his emotional state was really high. He explained his beef with RMS with a cry in his voice, I kid you not. When I was less than sympathetic, he practically ran out of the room in tears.

Now, I am no stranger to getting emotional about things. But I’ve learned that it doesn’t generally help me win the argument.

He really needs to focus on ACCESS, which, IMO, is a sinking ship. RMS isn’t the big problem in front of him.

David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror the great and terrible’ (his own chosen appellation) has been behaving in a vicious and literally demented manner online and in person since at least 1996, when he began his long career of legal threats, threats of violence, defamatory websites and general stalking and abuse – began with the stalking of Kathy Sutphen, which is well documented. Lefty has also written hideously sexist articles for the notorious troll site ‘encyclopedia dramatica’, and this is documented as his work beyond any doubt.

QUOTE

Stone Mirror aka David “Lefty” Schlesinger
to me
show details Oct 3 (10 days ago)

These messages were sent while you were offline.

2:01 PM
Stone: don’t be a ninny, no one’s trying to “fuse Linux with Microsoft”. that’s paranoid rhetoric, but coming from a mental case such as yourself, it’s not surprising.

Groklaw is taking much abuse for their stance, as can be seen in the comments. Bad move on PJ’s part.
2:04 PM
Do you happen to know Celeste Lyn Paul….? She’s the head of the KDE Foundation Board…
2:05 PM
She was in the audience at GCDS and tweeted her dismay at Stallman’s “bit of harmless fun” while it was happening…

May you know Stormy Peters…?

She’s the Executive Director of the GNOME Foundation….
2:06 PM
she was there, too, and not happy, either.

it’ll be interesting if “Dr.” Stallman finds himself blacklisted from both KDE and GNOME events in the future, won’t it?

UNQUOTE

documented evidence, mainly from his own emails and blogs, of David “Lefty” Schlesinger (he is an ACCESS employee) and his long career of illegal and menacing threats, stalking, harassment and blackmail.

here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408...

and here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408...

Lefty has written heinously sexist troll articles for the notorious troll site encyclopediadramatica.com.

” I try to stop a bit short of full-blown monster-hood.” – David ‘Lefty’ Schlesinger aka stonemirror

there is more evidence here, much much more. RMS has examined it personally, and he encouraged it as a complaint to the Gnome Foundation. He found it all credible and well evidenced, especially the abusive, defamatory websites that Lefty maintains for years on end over the slightest grudge, and in self admitted defiance of the DMCA. Lefty is also in his own emails and blogs (verified by whois and headers) actually blackmailing people over alleged sexual images he claims to have, which if they exist, were never public in any fashion.

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« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 02:44:27 pm »
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Yup, I’ve read about it most of it. Are you the book seller that he had a quarrel with? Most of the pages from his old “stonemirror” website are still in the WayBack machine, where one can read his taunting of the mentally ill, etc….. But, I try to stay away from the more gross stuff because most people wouldn’t believe it even if you sent them the WayBack URL’s.

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« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 02:29:34 pm »
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I’ve done an extensive investigation into “stonemirror” and the acolytes which populate his blog. You haven’t seen the worse. “Lefty” exploited the “Linux isn’t woman friendly” blowup a couple months ago in order to push MONO by trying to label those apposed to MONO (and thus Microsoft’s API) on Linux as being “sexist”. Those who were crying crocodile tears over RMS or Shuttlesworth’s “sexist” comments have made identical jokes or statements themselves in times past. The “proof” often given is that 26-30% of corporate coders are women but “only 2%” of Linux coders are women, ergo Linux supporters are “sexist”. However, they claim, since most .NET/MONO developers are corporate related, MONO is not sexist. It can be shown that 80% of graduates from Computer Science programs are women.. For just the 2.6.30 kernel alone there were 1,150 coders from 240 companies contributing code. IF the it is corporate policy to
employ as many women as possible then roughly 250 of those coders should be women, but they are not. Whose fault is that? It’s certainly not because Linux is “sexist”. What it does prove is that the “sexist” charge is being used by pro MONO people to belittle the traditional Linux community to make it easier to subvert the Linux API from C, C++, GLib, GTK and Qt4 to C# and MONO.

Some of the MONO supporters bait those who do not support MONO with private messages, which they quote in public blogs, out of context, in attempts to discredit those who appose MONO.

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Re: David Lefty Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror’
« Sent to: sandala lafoan on: December 12, 2009, 04:12:55 pm »
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It’s a “Lefty” trademark to threaten to sue people he’s had online fights with. I suspect he sends out pseudo legal letters from “lawyers” to further the intimidation.

One of his current web pages is http://stonemirror.wordpress.com/, which also contains links to a theme he apparently has brought back out of retirement: Marsupials. On his front page he is posting attacks against “LiveJournal”, which used to host his website but expelled him.

On the Marsupials page he’s continuing his ranting at a variety of people, like “Mikey”, and on a variety of topics.
ZQB Says:
January 7, 2010 at 8:51 pm | Reply

The two documentary links above are 404 now, they are currently right here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408050&postID=7149350615784434698

here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408050&postID=7665635887324397605

and here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408050&postID=5060769286305289248

and here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4902686590059408050&postID=5036263989020421457
ZQB Says:
January 7, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Reply

an answer to the latest lies of fraudulent so called “journalist” Bruce Byfield:

Schlesinger is the ONLY one trying to “intimidate” others, and you do your best to suppress the documented evidence of his long career of harassment out of sheer partisanship. You have no objectivity, and you ignore all real evidence that makes lie of your assertions. Who owns the defamatory websites? SCHLESINGER does, and the whois links these sites to his civil name and street address. You are a liar, not a real journalist, Byfield.

Who harasses women like Kathy Sutphen and Sandy L. ? SCHLESINGER does.

Who has a hate site with nasty photoshopped images of RMS? SCHLESINGER does.

Who is documented to be blackmailing people with stolen sexual photographs?

Why, SCHLESINGER is doing that right now. David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror’.

Who sends out upward of 30 intimidating, menacing emails a day? SCHLESINGER does.

Who brags of scouring civil court dockets for information to stalk entire extended families?

SCHLESINGER does.

(guess what? I don’t do any of these things.)

(and you deleted the documented evidence, most of it from Schlesinger’s own blogs and emails)

You are a liar, Byfield, country simple. You are a liar and a fraudulent excuse for a journalist.

And you aid and abet Lefty in his crimes against women and the disabled.

You, Bruce Byfield, y o u are out to intimidate.
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 5:48 pm | Reply

and finally, this is not a “personal feud”

Willem Jan 08, 2010 4:53pm GMT
And finally, this is not a “personal feud” – the entire point that you have obscured here is that the person leading the enormous effort to slime RMS has a history of identical behavior (identical threats, lies, distortions and defamatory websites) with something approaching 20 other individuals over many years. This is a pattern of harassment and trolling that any responsible journalist would investigate, not dismiss and censor as you have. But you have a personal friendship with the person of note here, so your lack of objectivity is obvious, Bruce.

Trolls of a feather, harass together?
and let me remind you, Bruce :

Willem Jan 07, 2010 10:19pm GMT
Documented fact, ie the Truth, is absolute defense against any and all accusations of libel.

That is the Law.
bullsh*t, Byfield.

Willem Jan 07, 2010 10:17pm GMT
Nothing is conceptually and realistically more relevant than the actual and well documented history of the individual who started and nurtured the entire Gnome/Gnu split controversy which is well in line with his unbelievably nasty and lengthy “Jihad against RMS” as Bruce Perens put it.

You are becoming the enemy of relevance, Bruce.
Hate mail on this site

Bruce Byfield Jan 07, 2010 10:11pm GMT
In the last couple of days, I’ve deleted a sub-thread that was irrelevant to this blog entry, and possibly libellous as well.

I neither know nor care who is right in the personal feud that seems to motivate the main instigator of this sub-thread. However, I do know that I will not turn this blog into a center for hate mail. I will continue to delete it, and, if it starts coming into too quickly, I will simply turn off comments.

If those involved want to post a comment that is relative to the blog entry and free of libel, they are welcome to do so. They might start by pondering the suggestions in the entry.

And if that raises cries of censorship, I can live with that. Given the billions of websites available, the idea that being blocked from one site amounts to censorship is too ridiculous an accusation for anyone to take seriously.
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 8:43 pm | Reply

A Brief Introduction to the New Age Occult Beliefs of David Lefty Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror’, aka “Hogwart’s Bound” …

Stone Mirror
21:20 / 12.09.02
Putting a sigil or marker in local “power spots” (however
defined) to tap into cities power….

Marko Pogacnik has actually been doing something along these
lines with his “lithopuncture” work. He locates (clairvoyantly) ley
lines, etc., and inserts carved granite “needles” at particular points
to enhance or redirect the flow of energy.

More here… Pogacnik has a book as well, Healing the Heart of the
Earth which goes into this in some detail.

http://www.barbelith.com/topic.php?id=8676

Stone Mirror
18:19 / 17.02.03
…The Book of The Law which in it’s content spells out
quite clearly the Gematria values to be used for English…

Does it? And “quite clearly”. no less,,,

Um, where?

http://www.barbelith.com/topic.php?id=11084

Stone Mirror
22:55 / 05.09.02
This book is actually out already. I picked up a copy at
Border’s on my lunch hour today, but I have to say that at a
glance, it hasn’t overwhelmed me. I actually liked a lot of the things
in City Magick (e.g. discovering sigils in graffiti), but I suppose that’s
what makes horse races.

Stone Mirror
22:36 / 06.09.02
I really need to read more of it to contest you further,
but what’s wrong with this?

Other than the fact that the information being purveyed is fluffy
crap? Nothing much.

There are plenty of good books on magick available. Visual Magick
by Jan Fries is a great place to start. One might actually learn
something.

http://216.92.201.51/topic/8544

http://people.tribe.net/stonemirror

Anarcho-Capitalism, Aoryukai Shugendo, Arisbe, Barbelith,
ChaosMagick, Fnord, Illuminatus, kabbalah, Moorish Orthodox
Church, occultech, Palm, PHOTOSHOP, Polyf*ckery, Robert Anton
Wilson Fans, Shaman, Shamancircle, Shamanism, Thelema,
Warriors, World Tree,

Hobbies and Interests

-Imaginal Yoga
-Tantra and Sex Magick
-Horror Movies
-Meditation
-Photography
-The Internet
-Martial Arts (Yang taiji, Northern Mantis Kung fu, Glock 23C)

http://www.blurty.com/userinfo.bml?user=stonemirror

and lastly

http://www.myspace.com/stonemirror

Stone’s Interests
General sex magick, tantra, movies, conspiracy theories,
daemonic reality, handheld computers, networking,photography,
digital art, operating system development, imaginal yoga, guerilla
ontology, poetic anarchy, putting the Internet in your
pocket,martial arts,target shooting

and his little page of sociopathic “heroes” including several well
known diabolical occultists and de sade, the “Poet of Violent Rape”
…. and also note Aleister Crowley, the most infamous Satanist of
the 20th century

next up, lefty and his over riding obsession with… cannibalism.
again, in his own words.

Aleister Crowley,Robert Anton Wilson,Austin Osman
Spare,Thomas Jefferson,Donatien Francois de Sade,Tom Ripley
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Reply

Look out, Grampa Lefty has a taste for human flesh!

(and I’m not talking about fellatio here. we are talking stone cold cannibalism!)

Eat or Be Eaten: A Dharma-Talk of sorts… (Recovery)

by David Lefty Schlesinger aka “stonemirror” from his own blog here:

http://stonemirror.wordpress.com/2006/01/08/eat-or-be-eaten-a-dharma-talk-of-sorts-recovery/

anthologie once asked me what was up with the cannibalism thing, anyway, and I suppose she can’t be the only one who’s wondered. Consider this an attempt at a short essay on the subject.

The Oldest Worship

Once upon a time (when we all lived in The Forest, and no one lived anywhere else), the Powers walked with people, and even as people. This was before we all got much too smart for our own good, and learned so much that we forgot what we knew. The Powers could even be enticed, under certain circumstances and at certain times, to become particular people.

And then we ate ‘em.

We are what we eat, and what we eat is us. If we eat Power, we become Power. But the Power also becomes us, and, thus, is never fully in our control. Once upon a time (when we all lived in The Forest, and no one lived anywhere else), the great cats ate men, and the men grew inside them.much too smart for that now, for better or for worse. Consider John Barleycorn: life for life, the life of a man becomes the life of the field, and each reflects the other. Consider the Eucharist, the Body and the Blood: life for life, the life of a god becomes the life of men, and each, again, reflects the other.

In theory, anyway.

Better Living Through Self-Destruction

The Tibetan rite of chöd (gÇod or “cutting”) is also interesting in this connection. The initiate goes to a graveyard with his skull-drum, his phurba, and his thigh-bone trumpet and invokes the Powers, dark and bright, thereby and invites them to take whatever there is of him. He sends his mind-essence away, into the sky, and comes back down as a dakini with a big honkin’ knife and splits his remains from stem to stern, five different ways. His skin is hung up to dry, his skull is made into a cup filled with his brains, nerves, sinews and marrow—which transmute into healing amrita and are offered back to the Powers and to all beings: the White Offering.

He offers his blood, flesh, organs and bones to any who hunger: the Red Offering.

His skin is cut into pieces and becomes gold, jewels, silks, Ferraris, DVDs and front-row seats for Tori Amos, too, I suppose, whatever, offered to any who desire: the Manifold Offering.

And he’s all gone. What’s left?

(The dakini—which ain’t “you”—in case you were stumped, but that’s a different story…)

Cannibalizing the Cannibals

Everything that we are comes from someplace (or somebody) else. This is true even of most of our thoughts. And without all that we take, all that we are given, we could not survive, we could not even exist in the first place.

In the same way, we constantly give away what we are and become other things, whether we know it or not, whether we like it or not. Just for starts, we are an all-you-can-eat open-24-hours-a-day buffet for parasites, bugs and bacteria, and they\’ll get us in the end, and after the end. Everything eats food, everything is food. You can try to choose not to be the food of something (or someone) in particular, but something (or someone) is going to eat you in time. It’s inescapable.

But turnabout is always fair play.

Ask yourself, regularly, “What’s eating you?” And watch your diet.

~ by stonemirror on January 8, 2006.

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Lefty sends us DMCA Takedown notice
By boycottlefty

Within hours Lefty has taken down our satirical/parody comic with a harassing DMCA takedown notice. We will be sending a counter notice.

Update: Images now hosted in Soviet Russia.

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ZQB Says:
January 7, 2010 at 7:09 pm | Reply

in Soviet Russia, joke is on YOU!

(humorlessness and viciousness are Lefty’s personality fundamentals, followed by megalomania and obsessive-compulsive indulgence in lying and spewing distorted half truths)

aren’t he and Bruce Byfield a cute couple, though? They really ought to consummate their gay marriage with 40 grams of viagra each.
Bruce Byfield Says:
January 8, 2010 at 7:23 pm | Reply

I’ll ignore the effort at insult and go directly to your implication:

I do not support Schlesinger’s position, or the efforts of Boycott Boycott Novell, any more than I support Roy Schestowitz and Boycott Novell. Do a search, and you can find at least two instances where I make that clear.

I can interact with Schlesinger because he doesn’t become rabid because I don’t support him, and that he is able to read in context instead of indulging in intellectual bungee-jumping towards conclusions. But the interactions are on the basis of agreeing to disagree.

Everyone who opposes him would do their position a lot of good if they acted the same way. For all I know, the owner of this site may have a legitimate grievance against Schlesinger. But his obsessive posting and reposting of the same material is tiresome and counter-productive.
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 7:50 pm

I find it homophobic of you that you classify implied gay love as an “insult”, Bruce.

Fly high, Lesbian Seagull!
Shane Gordon Says:
January 8, 2010 at 6:01 am | Reply

As a strong supporter of the gay community, I now request that ZQB go fuck himself for the analogy in his last sentence.

As someone who would like to see gay marriage legalized in Illinois in my lifetime, I think that’s really a bigot, dickhead thing for you to say, ZQB.
Dylan McCall Says:
January 8, 2010 at 6:45 am | Reply

Careful, Shane, or ZQB will add you to his perpetual copypasta of doom.
boycottlefty Says:
January 8, 2010 at 6:53 am | Reply

What’s so heinous about implying they have a relationship together? You claim to support gay people Shane….. But.. You attack him for pointing out a happy gay couple? Hypocrisy +1
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 10:32 am | Reply

Hells yeah, I love gay people to bits. They should have every right to pursue happiness in any way they see fit. I have always been a strong supporter of their rights. I am angered at this smear, but it is typical of the kind of monsters who let Lefty call himself a feminist when the documented words of the women he has harassed and persecuted are placed right in front of their faces – and like Dylan they pretend these words don’t exist, when they are linked to an archive set up primarily to make them available as a public record of Lefty’s heinously nasty behavior. Lefty is the homophobe, actually, and his homophobic remarks are recorded in his writings on encyclopediadramatica.com and his personal site stonemirror.wordpress.com .
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 10:54 am | Reply

QUOTE

No? That ain’t you with your hands tied behind your back taking it up the ass…? Sure looks like you.

And, by the bye, if I’m so confused about you being Aktiophi, and given that I didn’t identify anyone is particular with that extremely peculiar Livejournal posting,what exactly is it you’re doing here…? Methinks the chowderhead doth protest too much…

You never were terribly bright. Time has not changed that.

stonemirror said this on June 2, 2008 at 4:41 pm

UNQUOTE

rabid homophobia from David Lefty Schlesinger’s personal blog stonemirror.wordpress.com – again his own words from his OWN BLOG.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Nv4uoR0cVdgJ:stonemirror.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/pwn2spawn/+stonemirror+%2B+homophobic&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 7:43 pm | Reply

Brucey, it would not need to be reposted IF YOU STOPPED FUCKING DELETING IT.
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 7:57 pm | Reply

ZQB Says:
January 7, 2010 at 7:16 pm | Reply

yet lefty the miserable hypocrite keeps this kind of DMCA infringing bullshit up on these sites he owns:

http://boycottboycottnovell.com/images/rms-ivan.jpg

and this

http://www.extinct-marsupial.org

David Lefty Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror’ is some kind of perpetual motion engine that runs on hypocrisy and bile.
ZQB Says:
January 8, 2010 at 6:30 pm | Reply

again with the google hatred….

“You can have a Googlephone, or you can respect the memory of Phillip K. Dick. One or the other. It’s your choice. http://bit.ly/91rded =D
about 2 hours ago from web

- Stonemirror ” -via twitter

perhaps the makers of this item should sue google next?

the Magnificent “Nexus” Dildo:

http://www.feeldoes.com/11-nexus-sr-double-ended-dildo.html

ask Schlesinger about it, as a professional part time dildo salesman, he should have some …penetrating…insights on the matter.

He could probably even get you a good deal on one at his “Intima Girl Old Time Country Dildo Hut…”

http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=intima+girl&find_loc=San+Francisco%2C+CA

D J Octagon
January 8th, 2010

How do you feel about Lefty’s own absolutely homophobic comment which was reproduced on the boycott lefty site from Lefty’s own blog : stonemirror.wordpress.com ?

here it is:

QUOTE

No? That ain’t you with your hands tied behind your back taking it up the ass…? Sure looks like you.

And, by the bye, if I’m so confused about you being Aktiophi, and given that I didn’t identify anyone is particular with that extremely peculiar Livejournal posting,what exactly is it you’re doing here…? Methinks the chowderhead doth protest too much…

You never were terribly bright. Time has not changed that.

stonemirror said this on June 2, 2008 at 4:41 pm

UNQUOTE

rabid homophobia from David Lefty Schlesinger’s personal blog stonemirror.wordpress.com – again his own words from his OWN BLOG.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Nv4uoR0cVdgJ:stonemirror.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/pwn2spawn/+stonemirror+%2B+homophobic&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

Sir Sane
January 8th, 2010

Had not seen that before. However, it doesn’t excuse the way the Anti-Lefty fanboys are acting either. Homophobia is homophobia.

Then again, Lefty at most said “Taking it up the ass”, which one could argue to have ambiguous multiple meanings.

D J Octagon
January 8th, 2010

Lefty was referring to never public photographs that he states he purchased to blackmail a party he has a long standing dispute with. He claims he purchased them from an ex of said party. He has made many threats to publish them, such as this one again from his own blog:

more blackmail from David “Lefty” Schlesinger, again in his own words, on his own blog:

quote

#

First off, one of your supposed “friends” pointed your little garbage-hunting list out to me. The same kind of “friends” who send me pictures of you, in flagrante delicto, hogtied just like the squealing little piglet you consistently prove yourself to be.

stonemirror said this on July 17, 2008 at 11:49 am

unquote

http://stonemirror.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/the-extinct-marsupial-crosses-the-line/#comments

latest threat of blackmail to me from David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka “Stonemirror” :

4:53 PM Stone: like I said, if RMS is taking his cues from you, the FSF will be history inside of a year.
posting your real names made you awfully unhappy, it seems.
I think I’ll put more photos of you up, and your children too.”

D J Octagon
January 8th, 2010

and Lefty has one hell of a long history of being offensive and harassing to women. Here one of those women, Kathy Sutphen, speaks out. She was stalked so viciously by Lefty that she suffered traumatic effects.

“I’d save the ASCII totem for an occasion just prior to your court
)) )date, in the event that ever actually comes to pass: you’ll need all
)) )the good luck you can scrape together.
)) )
)) )–
)) )Lefty Redux [gYon-Pa] (lefty apple.com), (dns netcom.com)
)) )C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
))
)) I was utterly shocked by the vicious animosity of these messages. In all
)) honesty, I have find them to be quite intimidating. They have affected my
)) sleep and my appetite. I do not know to what lengths this man will go to
)) for retaliation. I hope that his anger is limited to email and I have not
)) exhibited foolish bravado in posting these. However, I will not participate
)) in his abuse by continuing to allow him to send me these types of messages
)) privately with the thought that his threats of extortion will keep me from
)) sharing. Every abuser needs to be drug into a public forum posthaste. It is
)) only in a public arena that this type of behavior can be halted.
))
)) I hope that others of you that have been subjected to this type of abuse
)) will ignore his threats and make his behavior public.
))
)) Kathy Sutphen”

http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/archives/WCA9707.html

Nuts

Wow. Looks like "Lefty" actually drove someone *insane*!

Those are Lefty's own

Those are Lefty's own documented words, so your comments are perplexing. Stalkers do inflict psychological damage on their victims, though. That is what they are all about doing, and Lefty is an arch-stalker, in the formal psychiatric and legal sense.

lefty's response is complete

lefty's response is complete bullshit, and typical of his lies and stalking
It is Lefty who lost his livejournal account, called 'stonemirror' for stalking and harassing other parties, and violating the LJ TOS. He declared perpetual war on the parties whose complaint lost him that account. I have already documented here his stalking of Kathy Sutphen, his publishing of nude photos of people he paid someone's ex for and has no legal right to publish, his endless and baseless legal threats, his hundreds of menacing emails which he at one point attempted to extort $5,000 each ; these extortion attempts were sent to anyone who received and published them to expose his menacing threats. google 'stonemirror + troll' for dozens of links documenting not only his stalking behavior over 20 years, but also his essays on the "beauty and truth in cannibalism" and also his long standing belief in and involvement in weird occult rituals and "magick". This is all available in his own words, from his own emails and postings and blogs. There is no sicker fuck alive (if you want to call it living in such perpetual hatefulness) than David Lefty Schlesinger, and the tactics he has used against his stalking victims are well in line with his current job as an anti-Free Software astroturfer and troll. Lefty has a long history of stalking and harrassing women like Kathy Sutphen, and also disabled individuals. Look further for evidence of his rancid insanity on these websites he owns and maintains:

extinct-marsupial.org
stonemirror.wordpress.com
aqualung93.wordpress.com

and this site which has rebuttals to his demented claims

boycottlefty.wordpress.com

Here is a man who in public calls his stalking victims "my little hobby", seeks out contact information for their entire extended families, and in very classic stalker pattern then has the nerve to call all his many victims (and I have documented sixteen victims; I am sure there are more) - he calls his victims the stalkers! This is very typical behavior for such an offender.

Understand also that Lefty's favorite tactic is to lump together unrelated bloggers and unrelated civil names, and all claim they are all the same "evil marsupial" who is being so mean to poor innocent Lefty. This can all be taken apart and proved nonsense, but the documentation is lengthy. Ask, and it can be emailed to any interested parties.

The primary motivation of the multiple parties who have been of late exposing the truth about David Lefty Schlesinger has been his abuse of feminism to make bogus attacks on RMS and free software, when Lefty has well documented writings which are sexually demeaning to women ; and also several women who have testified to being so terrified of his stalking behaviors that they suffered adverse mental and physical effects.

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20559&page=18

ATTN : Reverend Anne L. Schlesinger of LeGrand Methodist Church

Dear Reverend Anne Schlesinger:

This is a difficult matter to bring to your attention. But I do
not believe that your husband David N. "Lefty" Schlesinger has made
you aware of certain illegal and immoral activities that he is
engaging in regards to his pornographic and harassment/stalking
websites. I do not know if you are even aware of Lefty's 16 year
career of stalking and harassment, which seems to have begun with
his menacing threats and extortion demands on the Waldorf school
teacher Kathy Sutphen. I doubt someone of your position in the
Church *could* be aware of such horrendous activities and not stop
them immediately and by any means. Currently, Lefty under the name
'stonemirror' and in his own civil name is harassing several
parties unrelated to me. This in addition to Lefty even of this
morning contacting some friends of mine I haven't even talked to in
months and harassing them. Worst of all, Lefty has decided to
increase his harassment of my person by purchasing from my ex-
partner several home made pornographic photographs over ten years
old which he has now illegally published on one of his many
harassment websites, http://www.extinct-marsupial.org . Here is a
link to the photo in question, one of many:

[WARNING EXTREME PORNOGRAPHIC AND EXPLICIT NUDE PHOTO ON THIS LINK]

http://extinct-marsupial.org/Media/DCP_1260.jpg

This material was never public in any way until your husband David
"Lefty" Schlesinger made it public in order to harm and stalk my
family.
This not only illegal cyberstalking on Lefty's part, it is civil
court actionable on many counts including willful invasion of
privacy and infliction of emotional distress. If you can stop your
husband Lefty, perhaps we can avoid involving the police and/or
civil attorneys in this matter. David needs your help, his actions
are not those of a sane and sober man. Are you aware of his drug
problem, Anne? He blogs about it and also blogs about his sexual
adventures with the prostitutes of Tokyo. These blogs can be
accessed on livejournal.com, and I will provide these links if you
request them.

The following WHOIS link has your and David's home address on it,
499 Balch Way, Ben Lomand, CA. This proves that the site extinct-
marsupial.org is the creation of Lefty and Lefty only. Though in
fact, Lefty makes it a public boast that he owns this
stalking/harassment site with its stolen, unauthorized pornographic
photos.

http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=extinct-
marsupial.org&prog_id=godaddy

Lefty also runs two other websites devoted to harassing my family
here:

http://stonemirror.wordpress.com

and

http://aqualung93.wordpress.com

Here are other links which document Lefty's harassment of myself,
my extended family, and several other unrelated individuals:

http://lwn.net/Articles/367498/

http://lwn.net/Articles/366559/

http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/30218/

http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/16/alternate-time-lines/

http://linsux.org/blog/sirsane/2010/01/08/gnu-advocates-and-
homophobia/

Anne: your husband Lefty has been called out as mentally
unbalanced by his own work colleague the internationally regarded
Bruce Perens.
I believe only you can get him the help he needs, and make him stop
this vile and disgusting and illegal activity he is engaged in,
driven by his obvious mental illness.

Reverend Anne, will you do something
to help your husband and also help his stalking victims escape his
insane actions?

sincerely,

The Victims of David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror', and
your husband, Anne.

PS:

Here is Kathy Sutphen's own documented testimony of the horrendous
harassment Lefty inflicted on her, which left her with symptoms of
severe mental and physical trauma:

STONEMIRROR : MENACING ANTHROPOSOPHISTS SINCE 1996

http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/archives/WCA9707.html

Specifically, Kathy Sutphen writes
)
)Yesterday I received _six_ emails from this Schelsinger aka
Lefty. All of
)them
)abusive.

have since publicly accused David Schlesinger of “extortion” (a
felony), “mail fraud” (a Federal crime), and threatening to get in
touch with the police, his service provider, his employer...

since 1996, Schlesinger has been making the same rants,
threats, insults and complaints
against many different people, like a broken record!

"I intend to avail myself of every legal means necessary to
collect the fees which I contend that these people owe me. I am
also considering taking action against them for tortious
interference in attempting to infringe my ability to earn a living,
and for libel and defamation of character for the unfounded charges
they have made in this public forum of Mr. Dugan’s."- David "Lefty"
Schlesinger aka "stonemirror"

repeating himself with the same vain threats since 1996 !!!
October 23, 2009 12:49 PM
Anonymous said...

more blackmail from David "Lefty" Schlesinger, again in his own
words, on his own blog:

quote

#

First off, one of your supposed “friends” pointed your little
garbage-hunting list out to me. The same kind of “friends” who send
me pictures of you, in flagrante delicto, hogtied just like the
squealing little piglet you consistently prove yourself to be.

stonemirror said this to me on July 17, 2008 at 11:49 am

unquote

http://stonemirror.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/the-extinct-
marsupial-crosses-the-line/#comments

And here in Lefty's own words, is admission of his publishing of
the pornographic photos which he even claims absurd copyright to!
As if he had made the photographs himself!

here:

Lefty
January 8th, 2010

Lefty at most said “Taking it up the ass”, which one could argue to
have ambiguous multiple meanings.

That was meant in an absolutely literal, and purely descriptive,
sense.

I’ve received on a few occasions, unsolicited, photographs of a
rather pornographic nature from several, shall we say, ex-friends
of Mr. “Octagon” (aka Jxxxx Cxxxxxxxxxx Hxxxxx, aka Mxxxxxx Lxxx
Axxxxxxx, aka Mxxxxxx Rxxxx Nxxxx, aka “Sandy Laphon”, aka “sandala
lafoan”, aka “Sondy Lafon”, aka “Umberto”, aka “ZQB”).

They weren’t “purchased” nor was anything provided by me in
exchange for them. They’re archived on a disk, quite safely, along
with the voluminous other evidence I have against Mr. Hughes there.
I’m offering a reward for an address for him, so that legal papers
can be served on him, and a case pursued: see http://extinct-
marsupial.org. His sole skill seem to be avoiding being found in
the real world, hence the plethora of sock-puppets he uses.

quoted verbatim from David N. "Lefty" Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror'

My name is Victor T. Cypert

"My name is Victor T. Cypert. In 2003 - 2004 I worked as the resident computer programmer for the American Federation of Musicians in Hollywood, CA (Local 47.) David "Lefty" Schlesinger stalked, harassed, and otherwise abused me -- going so far as to call my employer in an effort to have me fired and posting my employer's IP address
on his then-active LiveJournal.

If you need an affidavit, a sworn statement, or some other document attesting to what transpired between myself and Mr. Schlesinger, I will be more than happy to provide one."

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20559&page=56

Many thanks for the podcast

Many thanks for the podcast - I enjoyed it loads. Well, have you heard about xanax. It is an excellent tablet to overcome anxiety disorder.

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