Say hello to Fedora 13

Fedora

Yes, it slipped by a couple of weeks - but perhaps that's not such a bad thing when you've got bugs to fix very close to a release, eh Ubuntu? So, Fedora 13 is here, and hopefully the release number won't bring bad luck for the world's third most popular distro. As with previous versions, there's a live CD along with a more beefy DVD version, and you can grab it from here. The biggest changes include: Shotwell, a new photo management tool that replaces F-Spot; Pino, a microblogging client for Identi.ca and Twitter; a new scanning utility; the Nouveau video driver for NVIDIA cards; and wider PackageKit integration (so that, for example, the Brasero disc burner can grab codecs from the internet if need be). Full list of changes after the break.

  • Automatic print driver installation
  • Automatic installation of language packs
  • PackageKit integration everywhere
  • Redesigned user management interface
  • NetworkManager improvements (including a command line interface)
  • Experimental 3D extended to free Nouveau driver for Nvidia
  • Shotwell replaces Gthumb and F-Spot as default photo organizer
  • Pino microblogging client included
  • Deja Dup - simple backup tool
  • Simple Scan - scanning utility
  • Nautilus file manager now defaults browser mode
  • Rhythmbox supports iPod Touch and iPhone through the libgpod library
  • Abiword not included in default Live image
  • Kudzu and hwbrowser deprecated

What do you think - does it look like a strong release? Let us know what you make of it when you have it running!

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Looks great

I tried the beta and it was solid. Fedora 12 was a fantastic release and I look forward to trying 13 once it finishes downloading.

The new features are minimal, but needed. It seems like this release was just a refresh rather than a whole new OS (like 12.5 rather than 13?). Then again, Ubuntu's had that same problem for four or five releases already. Maybe the six month release calender is waning?

good

Running in virtual box. Yeah it's OK but to me this doesn't make any leaps from 12.

testing

I'm running Fedora 13 from a LiveUSB right now.

Nice default theme. Not amazing but it's pleasent. Fonts are better than past releases. Yum seems faster (thank goodness!). The respositories are very well stocked, as far as my little bit of searching could tell. If the nVidia drivers work, I'd switch off of Ubuntu 10.04 if it broke or otherwise gave me reason to start running.

Bad things: No spell check in Firefox, apparently. You need to install the hunspell-en. No Abiword? For shame. I don't need a Twitter client, and I don't get the love for photo managers. Give me document compatability any day.

Gnome Shell

I've been using Fedora 13 Beta for a few weeks with Gnome Shell enabled, and it's great. A very worthy alternative to Ubuntu.

Why not install the excellent Gnome Shell with:

yum install gnome-shell

Then open the Desktop Effects settings, in which you will notice a new option for Gnome Shell. Enable this, and enjoy the new slick, if still incomplete, but very functional future desktop experience!

Solid!

I'm running it right now, and I've gotta say it's solid. Compared to Fedora 12 it feels much more stable. The changes aren't too noticeable, but they make the distro as a whole easier to use. My only big complaint is that they removed openoffice from the beta and didn't replace it with Abiword, so new users won't have a good word processor in a new install.

Fedora = win

I downloaded and installed it last night. Since experiencing a few issues with the latest Ubuntu, I'd been waiting for Fedora 13 to come out to make the switch (after trying out Fedora 12 in VirtualBox).

I have to say, even though there are still a couple of issues I have (for instance you can't easily add something of your own to the menu bar) in general it's a much more solid, and enjoyable distro than Ubuntu 10.04. And this is from a former Ubuntu fanatic!

I'm extremely pleased with my Fedora 13 installation!

K8V-MX mobo openchrome

Installed from DVD, booted OK K8V-MX mobo with Sempron 512MB RAM. X OK but DVB-T can't get video to work with openchrome (default) video driver. Any fixes for this? DVB-T worked fine on Fedora 12 with same video driver. Getting bored having to solve similar problem each release.

@zygmunt

Have yyou ever filed a bug report? If you have to deal with something similar every release. You definatly should.

fglrx can finally fsck off

I've installed this already and the best thing for me - having an ATI video card - is that it comes with 3D accerated, open-source Radeon drivers out-of-the-box.

No longer are we at the mercy of whether or not ATI can be bothered to update their proprietary driver for any modern version of Xorg!

Meh

I tried out the new release but I can't see much difference to past releases. They did put in some new features but not really anything to keep desktop users happy.

In fact this seems to be just as buggy as 12 was. (the package manager didn't work)

I was also disappointed to see they made no effort with the appearance of this distro. (default clearlooks theme)

@Penguinymous Anon

Excellent! That's what I've been looking for! Cheers!

Running Fedora 13 right

Running Fedora 13 right now.
So far I love it! the best and most stable Fedora yet.
I've been getting more and more disillusioned with Ubuntu for the past 4 releases, they fix something & break something else, next release they fix that and break yet more stuff that worked previously. Gah!
Can't fault Fedora so far, looks like I'll be sticking with them for a while yet.

Stable, but nothing earth-shattering

Since I started with Linux 4 years ago, I have always WANTED to like Fedora. Stable and popular as it is, after using 12 for a while, it just did not stand out to me as being anything other than another "also-ran" distro. The newest version is no different.

Add to that the fact that it uses the dreaded RPMs, and it is just not a choice for me. I guess I simply find it a bit on the dull side.

I will stick with Ubuntu and Puppy...

no love here

after installing nvidia drivers everything crashed, right now i sopent like 4 hours trying to fix x servers and driver. Pain in a... thats all i have to say about F13. Going back to linux mint.

thanks

Pity about the fourms

Pity about the fourms
fedoraforum.org is just dreadful
aggressive, thin-skinned moderators locking and deleting threads, banning users etc
Puts one off bothering with the distor

Huh?

Love to see the numbers to back up the "The world's third most popular distro." Claim.

Because of the way Linux is distributed, it is near impossible to collate reliable statistics regarding download, usage and wide spread adoption.
So making such claims shows ignorance. Flame-baiting will also get you nowhere.

Take it from me; a reliable source, that Fedora Linux is well worth a download for experienced users that want to adopt Linux and not just "Play" With it.
It is not Ubuntu, children.

Indeed

Indeed, Fedora is not Ubuntu, but I have yet to experience the spectacular breakdowns I have seen on occasion with Ubuntu. For me it is simpler: Fedora 13 doesn't load on my Thinkpad. Those 384 megs don't always stretch far enough... but on my work laptop, it just pops right in and works.
I must say that I was surprised, though - a live CD without an office application seems a little bit off, especially considering including Planner. Anyone hear more about the thoughts on adding video chat to Empathy?

dreaded RPMs - Really?

@Prolific Puffin - "dreaded RPMs", really? As opposed to dpkg, Ubuntu's analog to rpm or some other package manager?

I'm not trying to start a distro war (package manager war?) but I'm not sure I understand. I mean, as far as package managers go, rpm and dpkg are so very similar in functionality. But really, as someone who deals with rpms very regularly, I find the power and ultimate control that you have over packages to be great. I prefer it and get that you may prefer the GUI method and that's fine, the command line is not for everyone.

Really, look how easy it is to install or remove a package:
Simply run rpm -i <package>.rpm
or remove a package: rpm -e <package>.rpm . Yes, these are base switches but that's the minimal required for the two.

That's the basics of installing and removing a package. It's really that simple. I fail to see how it's "dreaded"-especially when you consider that dpkg, is pretty much the same.

You can add a -v for verbose or if you want it to ignore dependencies add --nodeps, sometimes you need to add a --force.

What if you want to just find out if you have all the required dependancies? That's easy too-you have three choices depending on what you want to query-from what perspective you need to query:
add --whatrequires for packages that provide capability for functionality or what --whatprovides to find out which packages that provide that functionality or even --test before you run the actual command.

For those that care, I'll a add few more of my almost daily commands:

Need to find if a package is installed:
rpm -qa (or more specifically rpm -qa | grep <some string>)
List package contents:
rpm -ql <package>
Upgrade an already installed package or install if it is not installed, verbose output, and display pretty hash (#) marks:
rpm -Uvh <packagename>

and so on. It's a powerful package management facility and powerful interface to it.

Retired

Fedora 13 looks great to me. I have been using Red Hat products for 10 years. This year I switched over to Ubuntu for the simple reasons that I was unable to get the music my grandson sent (wmv format) or view my new great grand daughter on Utube.
I much prefer Fedora but what can I do? One big help is the Ubuntu magazine designed for every day users. I still think that Fedora is the best. Just wish they could delay one release and work on the problems of drivers for people like us and maybe even put a small magazine on line on a regular basis to help users. We are not all geeks or windows lovers, but just people who like Linux.

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